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Post by Brenton on Jul 17, 2013 16:41:53 GMT -5
Okay so I guess this could go in the Let's Plot thread but this seems more suitable. Anyhow it was at one point discussed that we bring back the Forsworn as a new group who follows not the first guy thought of but one of the leaders of the Forsworn. It would be a "new" rider and there would be more than one leader. I was thinking three leaders so that it wouldn't be too powerful for the leader of the New Forsworn. Of course if we did this I was thinking we should also have something for the riders who choose to be neutral but that is a whole other idea I don't have yet.
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Post by ᗩпїra on Jul 17, 2013 16:50:45 GMT -5
Sounds like an interesting plot that you have going on Flame. What are your ideas for the riders that chose to stay neutral?
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Post by Brenton on Jul 17, 2013 17:03:56 GMT -5
I don't know exactly but if there are the Forsworn being led by someone other than the Empire tyrant then wouldn't it stand to reason there is a whole new sect of Riders being led by a neutral Rider. Think about it...Eragon leads the Varden Riders and they combat the Empire Riders led by Galbatorix. So I was actually thinking we have a sect of Riders that are more based out of the remnants of the original Riders. It never said there weren't other riders who survived. Maybe these Riders fled to the islands off the coast of Alagaesia when Vroengard was destroyed and took a hoard of eggs with them. Over time they repopulated and started more Riders. But the downside is they were forced to deal with the harsher environment and so now they have specific elements they can control (fire...water...earth) and can barely use magic beyond that. Those who use fire can control the magma deep within the earth's core and can then superheat the surroundings. Those who control earth are able to control the islands themselves. Then the ones with water can control the ocean and are able to travel across without their dragons. The dragons also reflect their rider elements by adapting to the environment that their rider can manipulate.
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Post by Nandon on Jul 17, 2013 17:15:54 GMT -5
Maybe it could be a group of peopel that the witches corupt who are riderless but are then given corupted dragons to ride? William when he gets the sword and becomes more corupted could be the leader
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Post by Quetzal on Jul 17, 2013 17:29:35 GMT -5
I think CP did say specifically that other than Galby, Brom and Oromis, none of the original Riders survived, although your idea is quite similar to the idea Vlaer had a while ago of Rider branches (organisations of Riders specializing in one element), so I guess it could tie in with that.
I like the idea in general, and I like your idea, Nandon, of the witches forcing people to ride corrupted dragons. It might be easier for a witch to possess a human/dwarf/elf/urgal mind since they are simpler and more similar to a witches' mind than a dragons', so the witches could link the corrupt dragon to the possessed person, binding the dragon through the person. The person would essentially become both a vessel for control and giving energy to the dragon, and would still act as spies and puppets.
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Post by Brenton on Jul 18, 2013 8:16:42 GMT -5
Lol I am just tossing out ideas but I really want the groups of neutral riders to have to work together because as I said they control ONE element. It would require all of the elements to truly be unbeatable. If I think about it I can sorta remember something about Rider branches like that but mine is more of a whole group that broke off the original Riders and were forced to adapt while hiding from Galby. It would make a lot of sense if say the Riders were really young when the fall happened so the original Order sent them away for their safety just like they hid the eggs and eldunari. Say that one elder was able to go but that elder was one of the oldest and so they went to help train the younger group. It would make sense because CP didn't go into detail and the Riders would've tried to keep the Riders alive at all costs. But as the years passed the newest Riders grew afraid of Galby and decided they wanted nothing to do with him.
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Post by Quetzal on Jul 18, 2013 10:51:47 GMT -5
I dunno, I just think we have enough Riders around as it is without introducing yet another group of them... we could always use the one element only idea and have groups of magicians, not Riders, who can control one element? It could be some custom of the Northern magicians to connect themselves with one element so that they can have true mastery and unity with it. They could still be neutral, and the neutral Riders can still form groups, but the one thing we don't need more of around here are Riders, it would be nice to have something completely different.
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Post by Brenton on Jul 18, 2013 12:08:15 GMT -5
True I agree we have more than enough riders so maybe it could have been magicians who fled with something...no idea what...that could help sway the war. In their time on the islands they grew more powerful in their one element and eventually died off but their children had moved to the mainland and gone North. When there they became corrupted by the witches and are now somehow connected to that plot.
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Post by Quetzal on Jul 18, 2013 17:31:24 GMT -5
Yep, they could live on islands far to the north, having mastered one element for survival; for example, the coldest island furthest north master fire to keep warm, an island further out to sea master water, and so on. Could they be based on an Urgal-type race? Just don't feel like the Urgals get enough love.
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Post by Brenton on Jul 18, 2013 17:40:51 GMT -5
Yeah I guess the Urgals need more characters and I would love to have an urgal race that is more important than just soldiers.
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Post by Quetzal on Jul 19, 2013 10:59:52 GMT -5
Yes, that's a point, atm they are just soldiers, CP didn't really do much more with them but it would be nice to flesh their characters out a bit!
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Post by Aelodil on Jul 24, 2013 4:28:46 GMT -5
I love this idea Brenton. Also, nice suggestion Quetzal. If you guys like both our ideas I could do some tweaking here and there and.. put our ideas together I guess lol. Up to you if you guys if you want us to continue it ^^
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Post by Aelodil on Jul 24, 2013 4:32:18 GMT -5
I think the original -best idea- is that these new guys -Urgals, Riders- were people who had survived the Fall as prisoners and ended up escaping, then fleeing to the islands. The Urgals mainly into frost -or something- magic can go to the frozen islands -or something, if you want I can think up some new things-. Others to flaming islands - again, if you want I can think up a few things, just give me the word -, others to uh.. like floating islands? And last one is... underwater city -if you want anything else/more or if you want me to implement this idea with Brenton, we could do it. just give us the word maytees-
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Post by Brenton on Jul 24, 2013 6:47:53 GMT -5
I love it Vlaer. The fact that the branches formed would make a great excuse for the Forsworn to rise up. Although they should be mostly urgals and such
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Post by Quetzal on Jul 24, 2013 11:38:23 GMT -5
Sorta ties in nicely with the fact that everyone's racist against the Urgals at the start of the books. The prejudice could have made people turn on them and forced them to retreat to the islands, where they somehow learned very specific forms of magic to survive. Could the fire ones perhaps be on the coldest island? They had to adapt by being able to summon warmth to survive, and fire to defend themselves against polar bears or whatever. Earth could be very jungly and rocky so they've adapted to cope with rocks and plants. Air could be high up on mountains where the air's thin and misty so controlling air helped clear mist and let them breathe. Psychic... no idea. Water... their boat sank?
The the Rider branches could be closely connected to the Urgals or something, with any Rider or any belief able to join since the Riders are supposed to be all united and nice. Then a select group of Urgals/Riders/both could secretly form a new Forsworn, although could it be different from the original one? I don't think they'd be like the original Forsworn, since for one thing their main aim is already fulfilled, secondly Galby would just make them his personal servants or whatever, and thirdly everyone would see what happened to the original forsworn and not join/kill them. The dragons now are more desperate to rebuild their species, so I don't think they'd be persuaded to start killing each other, and wouldn't hatch for a Rider with that intention.
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Post by Aelodil on Jul 24, 2013 19:35:49 GMT -5
I have plenty of ideas for the Urgals Quetzal, if you want, I can try to explain to Brenton my idea so we can start up this whole thing. The Branches don't chu worry bout em. I PMed Emi with an idea for em, so once I get approval, everyone with a character, magical or not, will be in a Thread connected-ish to their story to help explain.
The Forsworn idea, well.. let me just say; I have the best idea for them. -Evil laugh- But really Brenton, imma need yo help with all this.
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Post by Brenton on Jul 24, 2013 19:42:05 GMT -5
Explain and I will try to help somewhat -crazy grin-
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Post by Aelodil on Jul 24, 2013 19:50:42 GMT -5
So I liked your idea where there's 3 leaders of the Forsworn, so what we could do to put them with the Branches, we could say they were once all Psychic Dragons/Riders and lived in one of the grandest Citadel of Psychic -If you're wondering "Why Psychic?" then read the Branches idea. Psychic is the most gloomiest of all Citadels heheh.-. As they began doing what they were told not to; as in they explored their realm; The Nether they began discovering demonic dark power stronger than a Shades'. They immediately seized this power and spent years perfecting it. But immense power comes with a price. They went insane and easily made the rest in the Citadel flee in fear for their lives. Since then, they re-constructed the Citadel so that there were 3 castles, one for each leader. -The rest I'm leaving up to you cuz I have my hands tied with the Branches' Story and these Urgals-
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